作者: ap88994433 (嘿嘿) 看板: Gossiping
標題: Re: [新聞] 大霸尖山失聯女山友疑下切溪谷 專家找到
時間: Sat Feb 1 00:00:35 2025
[37m我一直都蠻討厭無腦責罵山難者的網路言論 [m
[37m畢竟很多時候情況就是難以預防 [m
[37m而且你也未必知道當事人是不是已經做了十足準備,就算
[37m車追撞一樣,再完善的預防還是有不可抗力的風險。 [m
[37m但這次我真的也有點惱了 [m
[37m雖然新聞的資訊有夠片面(
[37mㄏ) [m
[37m什麼人包分離不原地待命這種大錯大家都在罵,我就不多
[37m欸!你知道為什麼百岳會有雪季管制嗎?就是因為下雪的
[37m我在去年年底雪山初雪的時候攀登雪山主峰,雪主路線我
[37m,單攻也是當作後院在走。 [m
[37m那時候摸早黑在黑森林的時候忽然下雪,過不多時就已經
[37m至這是我第一次雪地登山經驗,就算我已經爬雪山路線好
[37m林裡面還是有幾次差點沒找到路。 [m
[37m這還是天剛亮的時候拍的 [m
[37mhttp://i.imgur.com/2H72rr
[37m滿地雪白夾雜殘木雜草,新手找不到路,
[37m還好我對路線熟悉,離線地圖也有備用,加上體能充足和
[37m的時候埋頭衝到底(只看地板亂衝是迷途的主因之一),
[37m看到了,所以也不會有什麼危險性,大不了走錯個幾公尺
[37m故而雪攀要比平常登山更加謹慎和有經驗,這次事件真正
[37m怪跟貿然分推! [m
[37m而獨走迷途更是讓我傻眼到極致,這部分我真的不知道該
[37m大部分時候都是我留下來陪最慢的,或是最慢的一定跟大
[37m平常有在鍛煉體能,經驗也豐富,該撤退也會撤,不會幹
[37m動),甚至好幾次我遇到幾個單攻的登山新手,還會陪他
[37m.也是因為當初剛爬山的時候有遇到這樣的善心大哥,只
[37m分隊這種事情,真的是登山界的蠹蟲:) [m
[37m嫌山友的聲名太好?可以叫他們運動白癡不要叫他們山友
[37m友後腦勺一樣低能。 [m
[37m最後,回答一下有些推文關於不要下切的疑惑。 [m
[37m1.大眾百岳路線有規劃基地台信號點,基本上訊號點也
[37m很清晰 [m
[37mhttp://i.imgur.com/m2XepI
[37m在主路線上繼續走,肯定有機會遇到這些通訊良好的信號
[37m去找這些信號點,出事的機率大大降低。 [m
[37m2.寧可上攀也不要下切,因為訊號會被山體阻隔,用腦
[37m院地下室哪個地方會被光照到?何況當事人甚至失聯的地
[37m還亂跑? [m
[37m3.為什麼迷途時絕對不要下切? [m
[37m等高線我記得是國高中基本知識,但很明顯在這個多山的
[37m不會看了,
[37m人把本金身家全部投入股票一樣腦殘。 [m
[37m地圖上隨便找一個點舉例情境模擬 [m
[37mhttp://i.imgur.com/yqy3VQ
[37m假設今天我去爬雪山南峰的途中迷途了,我選擇: [m
[37m「直接從路旁看起來有路的地方下切」 [m
[37m迷思一,看起來像路,但那可能是巡山員走的或是獸徑,
[37m在行走的過程中,我因為是下坡感到輕鬆和心情放鬆,所
[37m「盲從一個省力的想法和方式,而不再懷疑自己的選擇」 [m
[37m迷思二,直覺告訴我們往上到山頂,往下回山下,台灣這
[37m疲憊的時候,更願意選擇輕鬆的路線而不去懷疑。 [m
[37m越走越深,直到看到了溪水(假設沒遇到陡峭河谷),直
[37m你心想: [m
[37m「太好了!沿著河流走,一點能走出去!」 [m
[37m迷思三,這大概是什麼求生爽劇看太多,從地圖上可以看
[37m剩下回頭、上攀、沿溪走,在考慮體能、心態、糧食儲備
[37m能的箭頭全都是要上攀1000m! [m
[37m1000公尺什麼概念,
[37m層樓,垂直馬拉松的紀錄大約是10分半,這還是「全力
[37m維護、有扶手,而且是設計給人走的垂直向上的樓梯」的
[37m能上去,就算能上去,加上比起樓梯更長的距離和難以預
[37m定能上去,基本上是死路一條。 [m
[37m好,我們不選擇上攀,沿著河流走嘛! [m
[37m自己看地圖上沿著河流走能走到哪,直接走到地圖外,呵
[37m而且之所以登山的路線很少看到沿著河流開闢的,就是因
[37m河流地形非常破碎難走,甚至常常改道,落石亂蹦也是常
[37mhttp://i.imgur.com/2MOHbH
[37m隨便從相簿裡面挑一張,這是台北大縱走的其中一段的河
[37m都不像是人可以走的樣子了,
[37m徑的下下之選,基本上這也是登山者的常識之一。 [m
[37m好了,先說到這邊好了,也不知道會不會有人看完。 [m
[37m以上僅代表個人狹隘偏見,不代表事件本身事實。 [m
[37m感謝大家凌晨還願意賞臉爆文 [m
[37m這邊回饋給板友幾張個人精選 [m
[37m苗栗加里山看過去的雪山白頭 [m
[37mhttps://i.imgur.com/vGXlP
[37m雪主登頂前 [m
[37mhttps://i.imgur.com/o7QOu
[37m雪山黑森林一隅 [m
[37mhttps://i.imgur.com/ISi9H
[37m凌晨四點的黃金大草原 [m
[37mhttps://i.imgur.com/61Kup
[37m夕陽雲海 [m
[37mhttps://i.imgur.com/eQRjm
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[1;37m推 [m [1;33mpondaha [m [33m: 沒有充足的準備和應對,就可能被吞噬 [m [37m114.140.153.218 02/01 00:06 [m
[1;37m推 [m [1;33mroder [m [33m: 就是太多人忽略了山的危險... [m [37m114.36.211.185 02/01 00:06 [m
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[1;31m→ [m [1;33mIrene0314 [m [33m: 路不要下切的原因了 [m [37m223.139.116.131 02/01 00:06 [m
[1;31m噓 [m [1;33mdarkMood [m [33m: 封山禁海救台灣人。 [m [37m175.182.31.200 02/01 00:08 [m
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[1;37m推 [m [1;33mpondaha [m [33m: 我覺得應該是下切路徑看起來比較開闊,清 [m [37m114.140.153.218 02/01 00:12 [m
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[1;31m→ [m [1;33mpondaha [m [33m: 擇看似簡單的路徑,等到發現落差太大被困 [m [37m114.140.153.218 02/01 00:12 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mpondaha [m [33m: 住就GG了,蠻多都是在水邊找到 [m [37m114.140.153.218 02/01 00:12 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mWSY000000000 [m [33m: 尊重山林規則的人早晚都會出事。 [m [37m61.228.75.16 02/01 00:12 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mpondaha [m [33m: 的 [m [37m114.140.153.218 02/01 00:12 [m
[1;37m推 [m [1;33mWaineLee [m [33m: 臺灣都是山但不是誰都很懂的 [m [37m 1.165.224.26 02/01 00:13 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33map88994433 [m [33m: 順帶一提,我自己沒上過什麼登山課, [m [37m 27.53.8.195 02/01 00:14 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33map88994433 [m [33m: 沒跟過什麼登山訓練課,也完全不是相 [m [37m 27.53.8.195 02/01 00:14 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33map88994433 [m [33m: 關科系畢業的,這些內容都是我自己從 [m [37m 27.53.8.195 02/01 00:14 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33map88994433 [m [33m: 網路、朋友、還有自己摸索出來的,又 [m [37m 27.53.8.195 02/01 00:14 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33map88994433 [m [33m: 蠢又懶的結果就是付出生命代價的同時 [m [37m 27.53.8.195 02/01 00:14 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33map88994433 [m [33m: 還被人們看不起。 [m [37m 27.53.8.195 02/01 00:14 [m
[1;37m推 [m [1;33mpondaha [m [33m: 張博崴就是阿,下切到落差超大的溪谷 [m [37m114.140.153.218 02/01 00:15 [m
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[1;37m推 [m [1;33mf222051618 [m [33m: 真的覺得就是累到幻覺幻聽 認知失調 [m [37m123.0.237.219 02/01 00:17 [m
[1;37m推 [m [1;33msmallroad [m [33m: 台灣的山海教育大概趨近於0 [m [37m111.71.67.255 02/01 00:18 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mf222051618 [m [33m: 覺得有人(魔神仔)在帶他走安全的路 [m [37m 123.0.237.219 02/01 00:18 [m
[1;37m推 [m [1;33mlaventidus [m [33m: 專業 [m [37m 27.240.0.249 02/01 00:18 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33map88994433 [m [33m: 跑山獸為什麼容易找到山難者?我在本 [m [37m 27.53.8.195 02/01 00:18 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33map88994433 [m [33m: 篇也稍微提到迷途者的心態,其實這是 [m [37m 27.53.8.195 02/01 00:18 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33map88994433 [m [33m: 很簡單的道理,就是自欺欺人,山難者 [m [37m 27.53.8.195 02/01 00:18 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mf222051618 [m [33m: 不然完全想像不出山難不待在原地還要 [m [37m 123.0.237.219 02/01 00:18 [m
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[1;31m→ [m [1;33mf222051618 [m [33m: 四處走的邏輯 [m [37m 123.0.237.219 02/01 00:18 [m
[1;37m推 [m [1;33mcoolfishman [m [33m: 的確少了對山的敬畏之心 [m [37m202.165.70.38 02/01 00:20 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mryan0222 [m [33m: 現在的問題是,那些受困下切的人,以前在 [m [37m 180.217.7.191 02/01 00:20 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mryan0222 [m [33m: 鍵盤前面,能講出來的道理,比你還豐富 [m [37m180.217.7.191 02/01 00:20 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mryan0222 [m [33m: 真的實際遇到受困狀況,他們明知道不應 [m [37m180.217.7.191 02/01 00:20 [m
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[1;31m→ [m [1;33mryan0222 [m [33m: 根本問題是,你知道的道理,他們都知道 [m [37m180.217.7.191 02/01 00:21 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mryan0222 [m [33m: 他們遇到的實際狀況,你完全不知道 [m [37m180.217.7.191 02/01 00:21 [m
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[1;31m→ [m [1;33mChangJimmy [m [33m: 有一次下雪去 超美 而且標示滿明顯 [m [37m 1.175.149.184 02/01 00:21 [m
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[1;37m推 [m [1;33mME13 [m [33m: 原來不能下切啊 [m [37m36.235.76.111 02/01 00:25 [m
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[37m迪卡農便宜的500內就有品質很好的了,放一個在身上
[37m了一年還有電,還是我怕之後突然沒電主動換的電池..
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[37m叫過救援隊(人生第一次夜攀迷途,但我離登山口只剩下
[37m)他們會叫你下載app還是加line的樣子,用這個
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[37m,搜救人員靠近座標的時候會大喊有沒有人,我回應的同
[37m得有點雞肋,因為我待援的地方雖然在主徑上,但已經靠
[37m實不容易看到,老實說看得到燈的時候,聽聲音大概也就
[37m那直接目視就能找到人了,燈光頂多是確定你在那邊人沒
[37m所以這題我的建議嘛,不如直接買好一點的頭燈,現在的
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[1;31m→ [m [1;33mabadjoke [m [33m: 有微乎其微的效果 雷射筆完全不用想 [m [37m219.104.136.204 02/01 02:03 [m
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[1;31m→ [m [1;33mabadjoke [m [33m: 的高功率手電筒 幾十公尺外一顆跟你肩 [m [37m219.104.136.204 02/01 02:03 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mabadjoke [m [33m: 膀一樣寬的樹可能就能擋住 聊勝於無 [m [37m219.104.136.204 02/01 02:03 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mabadjoke [m [33m: 但不是保命道具 真正的保命道具是知識 [m [37m219.104.136.204 02/01 02:03 [m
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[37m車禍造成的交通堵塞、警力資源、
[37m損失可能更巨大。 [m
[37m我類比的情況是,有些人爬山安全措施準備充足,結果遇
[37m號誌,結果被不專心的駕駛追撞重傷,這些狀況都是自己
[37m見黑影就開槍,何況這只是一個尋常的比喻而已,跟文本
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[1;37m推 [m [1;33mis0800000123 [m [33m: https://youtu.be/urJ05se_1M4?s
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[1;31m→ [m [1;33mrane [m [33m: 明確 [m [37m 27.51.50.30 02/01 02:17 [m
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[1;31m→ [m [1;33msppmg [m [33m: 頭燈空出手+1。以前我也是買手電登山(郊山) [m [37m114.24.28.56 02/01 02:20 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33msppmg [m [33m: ,後來走較為原始路線後發現頭燈還是該買。 [m [37m 114.24.28.56 02/01 02:20 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33msppmg [m [33m: 如果遇到攀繩地形會沒手拿手電。 [m [37m 114.24.28.56 02/01 02:20 [m
[1;37m推 [m [1;33mbillkingFH [m [33m: 這篇收藏起來 以備不時之需 [m [37m 180.177.12.248 02/01 02:21 [m
[1;37m推 [m [1;33msppmg [m [33m: 開頭提到下雪後地貌改變,我猜除了雪掩蓋路 [m [37m 114.24.28.56 02/01 02:24 [m
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[1;37m推 [m [1;33mSuya83517 [m [33m: 山裡面真的很危險,有時候爬到太累真的 [m [37m101.8.36.232 02/01 02:34 [m
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[1;37m推 [m [1;33mastushi [m [33m: 我記得看過好幾次都是下切然後gg的 [m [37m 36.225.139.22 02/01 02:44 [m
[1;37m推 [m [1;33mheat0204 [m [33m: 爬山就是自找苦吃 應該自己負責 [m [37m 114.46.193.13 02/01 02:52 [m
[1;37m推 [m [1;33mgirafa [m [33m: 台灣超過3千公尺的山 200多座 對於島嶼來 [m [37m42.75.131.225 02/01 02:54 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mgirafa [m [33m: 說 山海一樣重要 但大部分的人對於山海的 [m [37m42.75.131.225 02/01 02:55 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mgirafa [m [33m: 知識不足 [m [37m 42.75.131.225 02/01 02:55 [m
[1;37m推 [m [1;33mBeeasy [m [33m: 謝謝分享 [m [37m 59.127.185.229 02/01 02:56 [m
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[1;31m→ [m [1;33mduece0927 [m [33m: 就好….. [m [37m36.227.123.186 02/01 02:57 [m
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[1;31m→ [m [1;33mjustinqoot [m [33m: 導致最後完全失聯 也有些家人會瘋狂 [m [37m 42.71.65.4 02/01 03:07 [m
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[1;31m→ [m [1;33mjustinqoot [m [33m: 雖說這是人之常情 但往往就造成遺憾 [m [37m 42.71.65.4 02/01 03:07 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mjustinqoot [m [33m: 常見的手機定位 是抓手機與鄰近基地 [m [37m 42.71.65.4 02/01 03:08 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mjustinqoot [m [33m: 台的握手紀錄 但基地台覆蓋範圍大 每 [m [37m 42.71.65.4 02/01 03:08 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mjustinqoot [m [33m: 個基地台的間隔都有一定距離 又因為 [m [37m 42.71.65.4 02/01 03:08 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mjustinqoot [m [33m: 地形可能連接到較遠處的基地台 就算 [m [37m 42.71.65.4 02/01 03:08 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mjustinqoot [m [33m: 拿到握手紀錄 研判出的路線也會涵蓋 [m [37m 42.71.65.4 02/01 03:08 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mjustinqoot [m [33m: 很大的範圍 反觀只要正確定位幾乎當 [m [37m 42.71.65.4 02/01 03:08 [m
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[1;31m→ [m [1;33mjustinqoot [m [33m: 既然都已經決定要求救了就別再亂跑 [m [37m 42.71.65.4 02/01 03:08 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mjustinqoot [m [33m: 大人都會要小朋友好好待在原地 不要 [m [37m 42.71.65.4 02/01 03:08 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mjustinqoot [m [33m: 亂跑不然會走丟 一般成年人要是沒有 [m [37m 42.71.65.4 02/01 03:09 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mjustinqoot [m [33m: 這種常識就拜託不要出門了 好好賣餅 [m [37m 42.71.65.4 02/01 03:09 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mjustinqoot [m [33m: 乾可以嗎 [m [37m 42.71.65.4 02/01 03:09 [m
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[1;37m推 [m [1;33mcynthiajul [m [33m: 很美但我還是看照片就好+1 [m [37m 1.162.120.83 02/01 03:32 [m
[1;37m推 [m [1;33mmolopo [m [33m: 感謝分享 [m [37m1.163.148.114 02/01 03:33 [m
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[1;37m推 [m [1;33mNinorin [m [33m: 邊讀邊感到恐懼的一篇文章 真的很優質 受 [m [37m1.169.158.195 02/01 03:59 [m
[1;31m→ [m [1;33mNinorin [m [33m: 益菲淺! 但我想我永遠不會去爬山 [m [37m1.169.158.195 02/01 03:59 [m
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[1;31m→ [33mluuuking [m [33m: 完全沒必要啊 [m 1.200.140.121 02/01 08:44
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