亞洲人對麩質過敏比較少

作者: qqbanjan (LOLO) 看板: Gossiping
標題: Re: [新聞] (發錢)乘客不能吃麩質食品 飛機餐一根香蕉
時間: Sun Nov 12 16:09:13 2017

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推 reinakai: 亞洲人對麩質過敏比較少

這是不負責任且完全沒有根據的說法

先來談談甚麼是麩質：
Gluten(麩質)：即小麥蛋白，廣泛出現於小麥、大麥、黑麥與以上混種的作物，是你吃麵
包、麵條、比薩等食物的嚼勁來源，直白點說就是麵筋。


有哪些人需要進行Gluten Free(無麩質)的飲食？
1.小麥過敏者(Wheat Allergy)
2.非典型乳糜瀉麩質過敏者/麩質過敏/麩質不耐
(Non-Celiac Gluten Sensitivity / Gluten Sensitivity / Gluten Intolerence)
3.乳糜瀉病患(Celiac Disease或稱Coeliac Disease)

有小麥過敏通常都有麩質過敏，但有麩質過敏的未必有小麥過敏，而麩質過敏的症狀又與
乳糜瀉相似但它非過敏或自體免疫方面的問題，這三種人要看臨床與個體差異狀況，不能
混為一談。



以文中乘客來說，Celiac Disease的患者吃了含有麩質的東西會有什麼樣的症狀呢？

患者在進食含有Gluten(麩質)的食物後，會引發自體免疫反應導致腸胃炎、嘔吐、腹痛、
潰瘍、腹瀉、脹氣、便秘，長時間下來讓小腸絨毛受損而伴隨營養不良的狀況。這些還僅
止於腸胃方面的表徵，其他症狀還可能有貧血、體重減輕、疲勞、發育不良、ADHD(過動
症)、自閉症、關節炎、痛風、頭痛、皮膚炎、骨質疏鬆、不孕、腸癌等等。

又Celiac Disease在腸道方面的表徵與IBS(腸躁症)、Leaky Gut(腸漏症)有很多相似的症
狀，可悲的是腸胃科的廢物也從未有醫師告訴我有IBS與Leaky Gut的可能。



如何確診知道自己有沒有乳糜瀉？
常規是做血液檢測，但目前做腸道活體切片是最可靠的方式，但很抱歉，我所知的是台灣
沒有可以確診的醫院。還看過有就是狂的北七營養師大放厥詞說亞洲人完全不會發病，而
台灣的醫生與營養師普遍也不知道這麼多，甚至連麩質過敏確診都很困難了。



在美國估計約有1%的人口有Celiac Disease，這之中只有5%的人被確診，這表示在美國約
有兩百萬～三百萬的人口不知道自己有Celiac Disease，這還只是美國的估計，全球還有
許多還無知無覺的病患、醫生、營養師，實際數目一定還很可觀。



為什麼我會知道？
本身從小到大飽受腸胃方面病痛之苦，看了西醫二十幾年沒一位能打，誤診率百分之百；
我有另一位朋友(台灣人)也是長年腸胃炎煎熬，直到到美國唸書時學校做的血液檢測才確
診發現他有Celiac Disease，在台灣也是被誤診二十幾年。




推 charliemx: 麩質過敏=文青病
你才文青你全家都文青，世界上是真的有這種需要的人存在，才不是為了裝文青，成熟點
！



噓 k2541398: gluten free   idiot...  台灣又不是小麥為主
你才idiot，你全家都idiot，任何用麵粉做的東西我們都完全不能吃，蛋糕、餅乾、麵包
、拉麵、比薩、水餃、油條、饅頭甚至啤酒、麥芽糖等等等，而你以為避掉麵粉做的東西
就可以了嗎？Celiac Disease棘手的是我們要完全避免廚具(鍋碗瓢盆)有Cross Contact(
交叉污染)的情況發生，碰過沾過就不行，即使清洗過也是，而市面上一般賣的醬油都含
有小麥，其他種類的醬料也會為了增加濃稠的質地而加入麵粉，這使得外面小吃店、餐廳
在烹飪過程中讓情況變得避無可避，換句話說號稱美食之都的台灣九成九九的餐廳我們都
無法去吃，我們不是吃一點點就沒關係，為什麼這麼嚴格？因為有研究報告指出1/64茶匙
(不是湯匙)的麩質量就足以引起症狀、傷害患者的小腸，慘的是在你戒斷麩質一陣子之後
，若意外吃到，引發的症狀反而會更嚴重；更可怕的是敏感的人在意外攝取到麩質之後，
即使非常少量，他可以完全沒有症狀出現而小腸絨毛繼續受傷害。

美國FDA對Gluten Free的標章規範是少於20 ppm，但很抱歉，我目前還沒在台灣任何一家
的食品廠商外包裝看過Gluten Free的官方標章。
https://imgur.com/a/hBa0t


即使是超市的即食品，小麥與麵粉也幾乎無處不在，而食品包裝上標榜的不含小麥並不代
表沒有麩質，綜合以上換句話說：你要避免就得百分之百的避免。


以文中情況來說，也許飛機上的廚房或餐點可能已經受交叉污染才只能讓空服員提供香蕉給乘客
食用。




如何治療？
很抱歉，這是絕症，先天性的基因影響，沒有藥可以醫。
而目前只能透過嚴格的Gluten Free Diet(無麩質飲食)避免症狀發作。
而令人絕望的是美國有做過一個研究(也沒其他研究可依據)，他們召集Celiac Disease的
患者進行無麩質的飲食控制，五年後三分之二的患者小腸絨毛恢復正常功能，可以藉由食
物吸收營養，而三分之一的人沒有回復，研究結果可能指出患者的小腸絨毛已永久受損。


學者與專家也有在研究Gluten與大腦認知方面問題的關聯，如Autism(自閉症)、
Alzheimer's disease(阿茲海默症)、ADHD(過動)的情況。


這病症不只在人身上，在動物上也有，美國有位獸醫運用無麩質與無酪蛋白的飲食來幫助
動物，獲得顯著的效果。


案例上也有病人六七十歲時才出現症狀，但之前吃含麩質的飲食都沒事，為什麼會這樣？
不知道。這疾病一直以來都有，但是是直到這四五十年歐美才開始陸續有研究，人類本質
上能不能與穀物蛋白相安無事也還有待商榷，但與其他病相比而言在病理學上依舊算很年
輕的，我也在懷疑台灣醫療環境上的死角是否有導致結腸癌與其他引發出來的疾病之間的
關係存在。



我目前正在進行嚴格的飲食控制，三餐都自己煮，生活很累，當我體認到這些事情時了解
到從小到大吃的任何東西都在傷害我的身體，說真的當下有股絕望感......原本在台灣買
東西吃是很方便的事如今卻變成寸步難行......也看過部分外國遊客在網路上的心得寫到
在台灣沒有外食可以吃的情況存在，我認為台灣一定還有很多潛藏的病患還沒被發現，生
活圈包含我在內就有三個案例，就代表這並不罕見，亞洲人也有這樣的基因存在；你看不
到細菌並不代表細菌不存在，發錢的目的是希望大眾與醫生、營養師可以逐漸去理解這件
事情，帶來改善台灣環境的可能性，如果你或身邊的朋友也沒有特別吃奇怪的東西而常常
腸胃炎，你有可能是Gluten Sensitivity 或Celiac Disease的患者，請立即停止吃包含
Gluten的食物，馬上！


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推 ULSHAN: 辛苦了!                                                 11/12 16:52
推 livelifelove: 推樓主，一堆高能兒就只會說風涼，廠廠              11/12 16:53
推 henry3744: 推                                                   11/12 16:53
→ hydeonly: 麩質過敏確診的淚推                                    11/12 16:53
推 forevernew: 推                                                  11/12 16:53
推 gjo3gjo3gjo3: 推                                                11/12 16:53
推 ant0210: 錢                                                     11/12 16:54
推 Thanksbro: 推                                                   11/12 16:54
→ henry3744: 噓的人腦子在想什麼？？                               11/12 16:54
推 Maxine425: 推                                                   11/12 16:55
推 XDDDpupu5566: 這麼麻煩只好達爾文了                              11/12 16:55
推 motonokira: 推                                                  11/12 16:56
推 brandon07: 推                                                   11/12 16:57
推 key1000: 錢                                                     11/12 16:57
推 juztrue: 推                                                     11/12 16:58
推 cuka: 推知識文                                                  11/12 16:58
推 MA40433: 推                                                     11/12 16:58
推 festar0099: 所以台灣有哪間醫院可以做這個檢查?                   11/12 16:59
推 yl880820: ?                                                     11/12 16:59
推 howardhope: 推                                                  11/12 17:00
推 ogymygg:                                                      11/12 17:00
推 an800524: 推推                                                  11/12 17:01
推 CIIIO: 推                                                       11/12 17:01
推 terry6112: 推                                                   11/12 17:01
推 AUwalker: 難怪外國一堆食品要特別註明無麩質                      11/12 17:01
推 mopackn85256: 推                                                11/12 17:02
推 m768977569: 我不要錢，辛苦你了，推                              11/12 17:02
推 aliceluna: 推                                                   11/12 17:03
推 Alittlemore: 推 辛苦了                                          11/12 17:03
推 GirMon: 推                                                      11/12 17:03
噓 CIBoys: http://i.imgur.com/MzFbnjc.jpg ROBBINS 課本寫大多數是   11/12 17:04
推 s8954375: 推                                                    11/12 17:04
→ CIBoys: 高加索人跟歐洲人，你在黑台灣醫師做什麼==                11/12 17:04
推 davis8211: 推                                                   11/12 17:05
推 jjoes77tw: 推，想請問飲食+1                                     11/12 17:05
推 Albert666: 推                                                   11/12 17:05
推 wertyshl: 推                                                    11/12 17:06
推 nic3310: 推                                                     11/12 17:06
推 adamli: 推                                                      11/12 17:06
推 mayumasaki: 我身邊一堆麩質過敏…，覺得不是亞洲人比較少，而是    11/12 17:06
→ mayumasaki: 大家通常不知道自己過敏是因為麩質                    11/12 17:06
推 feywen: 你怎麼不想想台灣99%餐廳你們都不能吃，但被確診的人數卻   11/12 17:07
→ feywen: 少之又少，的確有可能是因為亞洲人體質的關係？你指責推    11/12 17:08
→ feywen: 文不負責又缺乏根據，但你自己抄了一長篇也沒事實根據足以  11/12 17:08
→ feywen: 反駁，那我是不是我可以說你斥責對方的說法是不負責任又    11/12 17:08
→ feywen: 缺乏依據？                                              11/12 17:08
→ HappyKH: 好慘                                                   11/12 17:10
推 microtek1990: 推                                                11/12 17:10
→ HappyKH: 不過我覺得亞洲人就是少這點是真的                       11/12 17:10
推 YoooooM: 推                                                     11/12 17:11
噓 CIBoys: 病理課本圖書館都有自己翻好嗎==                          11/12 17:11
推 amo0717: 好                                                     11/12 17:11
推 sougo531: 推 長知識                                             11/12 17:12
推 aegis91086: 推優文                                              11/12 17:13
推 aaaaaalio: 無知又假會的人還真不少，廠廠                         11/12 17:14
推 Anth: 推                                                        11/12 17:14
推 a201110110: 推                                                  11/12 17:14
推 lovexx291: 推                                                   11/12 17:15
推 VUVCOM: 我早上吃一定腹瀉。平常吃還好這也是嗎                    11/12 17:16
推 Ericdion: 辛苦了！                                              11/12 17:16
推 rain12658: 錢拿來                                               11/12 17:16
推 crazydai: 推，不需要跟某些人太過認真                            11/12 17:17
推 kushikoi: 辛苦了                                                11/12 17:17
推 xinyuxiao: 造成自閉症??有文獻支持嗎？                           11/12 17:17
推 Xmeariver: 推                                                   11/12 17:17
推 uonfon: 推                                                      11/12 17:19
推 NekoArcueid: 感謝知識分享                                       11/12 17:20
推 wate5566: 長知識                                                11/12 17:20
→ kokal: 依據說明的嚴重度,覺得過於高估美國實際得病人數            11/12 17:22
推 roger0103: 推                                                   11/12 17:22
推 octopuz: 推                                                     11/12 17:22
推 XiaKo: 推                                                       11/12 17:23
推 keyman2: 一堆東西不能吃，好慘的感覺QQ                           11/12 17:24
推 DiorW: 推                                                       11/12 17:25
噓 Ecdysozoa: http://pansci.asia/archives/108056                   11/12 17:25
推 ineedpeepee: 推                                                 11/12 17:25
噓 g8san: 無聊                                                     11/12 17:26
→ Ecdysozoa: 這種經典的文青病大部份人都是以為自己有…             11/12 17:27
推 Vdragon: 高調                                                   11/12 17:27
推 tsuku:                                                          11/12 17:28
推 SEED2002: 推                                                    11/12 17:28
噓 featherable: 我懂了 請大家發揮同理心讓世界繞著你轉              11/12 17:29
推 stanly678: 推                                                   11/12 17:30
推 little150: 推                                                   11/12 17:31
推 rehtra: 長知識                                                  11/12 17:31
推 arissakura: 推個長姿勢                                          11/12 17:33
推 albert2406: 推                                                  11/12 17:33
推 kuff220: 推                                                     11/12 17:34
推 v5qr6tz265: 推                                                  11/12 17:35
推 mdkn35: 原PO好兇                                                11/12 17:35
推 WiNdexEX: 感覺跟花粉症類似                                      11/12 17:35
推 girafa: sin gluten                                              11/12 17:36
推 skliveman: 吃個小麥得自閉症也是厲害                             11/12 17:36
推 TheGun: 久病成良醫，我懂                                        11/12 17:36
推 awwind: 推 長知識                                               11/12 17:37
推 TJsky: 推                                                       11/12 17:37
推 ajan007: 推                                                     11/12 17:37
推 Oolong5566: 慘                                                  11/12 17:37
推 kiskeryo: 推                                                    11/12 17:37
噓 hj00:                                                           11/12 17:37
推 JCSwifty13: 原來是這樣                                          11/12 17:38
推 Harbin: 推，長知識                                              11/12 17:41
推 ginsengwolf: 你好辛苦  推推                                     11/12 17:42
推 Scorfish: 推                                                    11/12 17:42
推 ftc1214: 推                                                     11/12 17:43
推 EXPCDR: QQ                                                      11/12 17:45
推 s250380: 推                                                     11/12 17:46
推 redtail0406: 推                                                 11/12 17:46
推 pilodee: 推                                                     11/12 17:47
推 klyuch: 很辛苦                                                  11/12 17:47
推 a594020419: 先推再說...                                         11/12 17:48
推 peanut910013: 推                                                11/12 17:48
推 wanted66: 推                                                    11/12 17:48
推 ym010273: 推                                                    11/12 17:49
推 max31308: 專業推                                                11/12 17:49
推 abby50066: 請問沒經過檢測之前 有明顯症狀嗎                      11/12 17:49
推 myname12342: 推                                                 11/12 17:50
推 qImo: 好                                                        11/12 17:50
推 kaoru1992: 純推                                                 11/12 17:51
推 crz13323: 推                                                    11/12 17:52
推 sparklekyu: 好辛苦...                                           11/12 17:53
推 hdes93621: 推                                                   11/12 17:55
推 starptero: 推                                                   11/12 17:55
推 neptune2796: 推                                                 11/12 17:56
推 St10: 推                                                        11/12 17:57
噓 zzzpollux: 你好棒棒  腸胃科都廢物                               11/12 17:58
推 jackme82: 推                                                    11/12 17:59
推 wu8602121: 推                                                   11/12 17:59
推 michael10112: 推                                                11/12 18:01
推 hazy1995: 推                                                    11/12 18:02
推 jsf2002: 推                                                     11/12 18:04
推 charles269: 推                                                  11/12 18:05
推 AlexRko: 推                                                     11/12 18:05
推 jimmydogs: 推                                                   11/12 18:06
噓 foxbite: 怕 麩質吃了雞雞會飛走                                  11/12 18:06
推 qinuke: 推                                                      11/12 18:07
推 jonas0609: 推                                                   11/12 18:08
推 fish10606: 長知識！非常感謝分享，我跟身邊的人有幾個就常這樣     11/12 18:08
推 a1624a: 推                                                      11/12 18:10
推 rickz008: push                                                  11/12 18:11
推 kiru000: 推                                                     11/12 18:12
推 o1986906: 錢                                                    11/12 18:14
噓 jjelm: 辛苦了                                                   11/12 18:15
推 TeacherGood: 推                                                 11/12 18:16
推 chrisliu0530: 推                                                11/12 18:16
推 yoshigo: 天啊好辛苦...一堆美食不能吃，嗚嗚                      11/12 18:18
推 C6H8O7: 這種基因在現代就讓他自然淘汰吧                          11/12 18:20
推 NagatoMoe: 推                                                   11/12 18:21
推 pony40701: 錢                                                   11/12 18:22
推 dsa888888: 跪著推                                               11/12 18:22
推 jhkat: 麩質隨機過敏+1                                           11/12 18:25
推 std210429: 推                                                   11/12 18:26
推 jeneaqa1: 推                                                    11/12 18:27
推 NierB0626: 加油                                                 11/12 18:28
推 doriiic: 推                                                     11/12 18:29
推 NavBlack: 推                                                    11/12 18:30
推 fu977642: 推                                                    11/12 18:31
推 Tattos: 推                                                      11/12 18:31
推 freedom717: 推 說文青病那個真的沒救了                           11/12 18:31
推 st86188go: 推                                                   11/12 18:32
推 garyyeng2: 推 辛苦了                                            11/12 18:32
推 bbo40453: 推                                                    11/12 18:32
推 lolitass: 推                                                    11/12 18:33
推 coolda: 推                                                      11/12 18:33
推 randyyoo: 推                                                    11/12 18:35
推 MidoBanA: 推                                                    11/12 18:36
推 apple131212: 推                                                 11/12 18:37
推 vivian5171: 推                                                  11/12 18:37
推 j9862003: 長知識了                                              11/12 18:38
推 wadxmjh: 推                                                     11/12 18:39
推 bugbuug: 推 長知識，謝謝你也辛苦了                              11/12 18:41
推 inoo: 推                                                        11/12 18:41
推 masakk: 推                                                      11/12 18:42
推 kevin1212: 推                                                   11/12 18:42
推 chyi0822: 推                                                    11/12 18:43
推 kaorukei: 感謝提醒～想去檢測                                    11/12 18:45
推 klvs10025: 阿                                                   11/12 18:45
推 alex81131: 這是不是跟堅果過敏一樣，我們放著不管過幾年就不會有   11/12 18:46
→ alex81131: 人有這樣的症狀了？                                   11/12 18:46
推 doyouself: 推                                                   11/12 18:46
推 Steve1720: 暸解你的痛苦，我姐夫因為也是相同症狀，為了吃，還開   11/12 18:46
→ Steve1720: 設公司，讓有相同症狀也能輕易的買到食物，但是在美國   11/12 18:47
→ Steve1720: https://www.glutenfreemall.com/catalog/              11/12 18:47
推 blauXaoi: 辛苦你了                                              11/12 18:48
噓 Joker3: 華人的確比例比較低 是也不用說的自己好像很慘             11/12 18:49
推 johnny842310: 錢                                                11/12 18:51
推 HFang: 推                                                       11/12 18:51
推 kaleo: 推                                                       11/12 18:51
推 rikujiao: 長知識推                                              11/12 18:51
推 o816: 推                                                        11/12 18:54
推 h73o1012: 吃了會全身燒焦雞雞變沖天炮的好東西                    11/12 18:54
推 ETTom: 長知識幫推  這篇不用發錢也會爆的                         11/12 18:55
推 how3550: 推 一堆沒知識的仁愛放話                                11/12 18:55
推 pinkgun: 推 一堆自以為醫生的                                    11/12 18:58
→ nretni: 先幫你QQ 我對筍子過敏懂你的情況                         11/12 18:58
推 dawnjo: 不管有沒有錢都推 無法享用美食的人生真的太慘了...        11/12 18:59
→ dawnjo: 推推                                                    11/12 18:59
→ yudofu: 這種人汙染社會基因                                      11/12 19:01
推 APC: 蓋                                                         11/12 19:01
推 newlie: 加油                                                    11/12 19:02
推 nretni: 不過依你資料講的 美國也有95%的人沒被診斷 回頭批評台灣   11/12 19:02
→ nretni: 的醫師 居然沒想到是麩質過敏hmmmm                        11/12 19:02
推 billabcddog: 如果無腦酸都可以將心比心就好了                     11/12 19:03
推 domo8505: 錢錢                                                  11/12 19:03
推 weltschmerz: 錢                                                 11/12 19:03
推 qxpbyd: 看南方公園 以為是無病呻吟 原來真的有                    11/12 19:04
噓 machiner: 那你怎不離開鬼島呢                                    11/12 19:04
推 harrybbs: 推                                                    11/12 19:05
推 cjtv: 吃不胖有可能是嗎xd？                                      11/12 19:06
推 spinwu: 這些無法被確診的是不是就都被歸類為內分泌失調啊          11/12 19:07
推 benxyz: 辛苦你了                                                11/12 19:11
推 orz880509: 長知識                                               11/12 19:12
推 Orzzxc: 加油！你可以的                                          11/12 19:12
推 tokeep: 錢                                                      11/12 19:13
推 ny40yankees: 幫你QQ                                             11/12 19:13
推 markhbad54: 推                                                  11/12 19:14
噓 a021017: 嗯                                                     11/12 19:14
推 whhw: 推                                                        11/12 19:14
推 ak103t638: 推                                                   11/12 19:17
噓 bulank: 喔                                                      11/12 19:18
推 tony20095: 得這啥小怪病在台灣會超級麻煩，我好像沒有一天不碰這   11/12 19:24
→ tony20095: 些食物的，感覺只有生菜沙拉跟水果能吃而已吧           11/12 19:24
推 dreamflyktr:  長知識推                                          11/12 19:27